var subtitles = [ ["00:00:16,265","407","00:00:20,841","521","Yes, well we started in our beginnings and our beginning were 20 years ago"], ["00:00:21,073","527","00:00:23,674","592","when we opened our office here in Vienna."], ["00:00:24,184","605","00:00:27,108","678","Before we came to Vienna, we studied in Graz,"], ["00:00:28,292","707","00:00:31,036","776","and before that we were born in Vorarlberg."], ["00:00:32,036","801","00:00:39,612","990","And in our office, we do very different kinds of work:"], ["00:00:39,813","995","00:00:43,655","1091","we do big projects but also very small ones,"], ["00:00:43,756","1094","00:00:46,807","1170","because for us architecture is not a question of the dimension,"], ["00:00:46,925","1173","00:00:54,932","1373","but a question of finding a special solution for a special problem."], ["00:01:02,226","1556","00:01:09,488","1737","So, I think if it would be a lecture we would start with some specific projects"], ["00:01:09,489","1737","00:01:17,641","1941","like Space Zita Kern, which was a very important thing for us. It's a very small..."], ["00:01:17,642","1941","00:01:27,970","2199","just one space; one new space sitting on an old structure|and the restructuring of this space inside."], ["00:01:27,971","2199","00:01:39,098","2477","It's about 60m2 and 30 m2. Zita Kern was a person coming from...,"], ["00:01:39,099","2477","00:01:49,106","2728","she is a peasant but she also is a literary scientist,|and she needed space not for the peasant"], ["00:01:49,107","2728","00:01:56,492","2912","type of work she does but for the writing; and this space"], ["00:01:56,493","2912","00:02:04,836","3121","gave us the chance to make a very comprised kind of..."], ["00:02:04,837","3121","00:02:15,118","3378","It's just space, it's just 60 m2 of space in a specific topographic situation."], ["00:02:20,085","3502","00:02:28,247","3706","So, there is another project with the same dimension we finished last year."], ["00:02:28,248","3706","00:02:35,103","3878","It is also 60 m2, 30 m2, a house in the countryside,"], ["00:02:35,104","3878","00:02:42,607","4065","not for a peasant but for people who needed space there for vacation;"], ["00:02:42,608","4065","00:02:53,639","4341","and this 60 m2 / 30 m2 kind of typology is done here in a very, very different way."], ["00:02:53,640","4341","00:03:12,200","4805","It is not this thing sitting in a specific situation from a built environment,"], ["00:03:12,201","4805","00:03:21,113","5028","but it's sitting in a unique landscape on the top of a hill, so this is a project which"], ["00:03:21,114","5028","00:03:42,637","5566","is more interested in things like generosity; openness; looking over the land;"], ["00:03:42,638","5566","00:03:43,218","5580","dealing with the land, but in a very, very generous way."], ["00:03:43,436","5586","00:03:50,835","5771","And, our work is always coming out of concepts. Every project we start,"], ["00:03:50,836","5771","00:03:55,496","5887","we are trying to find the concept first, and every detailing,"], ["00:03:55,497","5887","00:04:00,840","6021","every part of the project comes out of this red line."], ["00:04:00,841","6021","00:04:08,586","6215","And these concepts can be very different: there are|topological ones, of course, as Richard said before,"], ["00:04:08,587","6215","00:04:16,963","6424","as Zita Kern's house. It's a very special place, and so that was the starting point"], ["00:04:16,964","6424","00:04:24,730","6618","of the project. And the other one he mentioned was the one in Bocksdorf, in Burgenland."], ["00:04:24,731","6618","00:04:33,668","6842","And there was a very beautiful site, but no existing|building, so there we could really do a typological"], ["00:04:33,669","6842","00:04:40,714","7018","kind of building which could be everywhere."], ["00:04:45,410","7135","00:04:57,996","7450","Yes, it's really a (sorry for not finding the word) but,|it's really a kind of type of building."], ["00:04:57,997","7450","00:05:04,980","7625","It is more near to the projects which were realised in America"], ["00:05:04,981","7625","00:05:23,509","8088","in California in the 60's, 50's - 60's, these building programmes where Saarinen"], ["00:05:23,510","8088","00:05:33,621","8341","and a lot of people built single family houses.|It's more in the tradition of the case-study house."], ["00:05:34,808","8370","00:05:37,446","8436","Which is completely different to the Zita Kern house."], ["00:05:37,647","8441","00:05:42,321","8558","But we are, of course we are interested in these typologies,"], ["00:05:42,322","8558","00:05:51,892","8797","because there you can develop something and always|develop it further and further with every next project."], ["00:05:51,893","8797","00:06:05,003","9125","And in the Burgenland house, it's not only one house but we had 2 projects there"], ["00:06:05,004","9125","00:06:16,818","9420","and the interesting thing was to find one construction|and with this construction we had to do 2 houses."], ["00:06:16,819","9420","00:06:19,785","9495","Dealing with two different kinds of situations."], ["00:06:19,786","9495","00:06:35,873","9897","The one site is a very generous site, its... there is no disturbing|from any kind of building, and the other site is sitting somewhere"], ["00:06:35,874","9897","00:06:43,836","10096","where you have to deal with existing space, with existing buildings|and a situation which is on a slope,"], ["00:06:43,837","10096","00:06:52,982","10325","not on the top of the hill. So, the same programme,|the same construction, the same programme"], ["00:06:52,983","10325","00:06:59,076","10477","reacts here in a certain way with a given situation;"], ["00:06:59,077","10477","00:07:09,677","10742","and so it is a little bit more curious and more specific than the first type,"], ["00:07:09,678","10742","00:07:15,462","10887","which is just dealing with an overview and a situation over the country."], ["00:07:16,181","10905","00:07:23,100","11078","But this is that what is very interesting for us,|how from one beginning things can develop."], ["00:07:23,101","11078","00:07:29,780","11244","And they can develop to the right side or|to the left side, but it's always the same."], ["00:07:29,815","11245","00:07:35,461","11387","- We don't know it before.|- It's the same concept, but just influences from outside ..."], ["00:07:35,880","11397","00:07:44,076","11602","or whatever makes the decision in which|direction the project will develop."], ["00:07:44,077","11602","00:07:51,565","11789","And, these typologies are very interesting for us, because the main theme"], ["00:07:51,600","11790","00:08:10,116","12253","in our office is buildings for subsidized housing,|and subsidized housing is typology poor (if you can say this)."], ["00:08:10,886","12272","00:08:20,053","12501","Residential projects. We are interested in space and|we are interested in structure. These are the main themes I think."], ["00:08:20,088","12502","00:08:29,153","12729","Space: we try to develop something where we don't|know what comes out when we start."], ["00:08:29,154","12729","00:08:47,046","13176","So, we want to be surprised by ourselves from the product,|from the space, which derives from the programme,"], ["00:08:47,047","13176","00:08:56,359","13409","from the client, from the situation, from all these influences,|and so we are not very interested in doing things two times."], ["00:08:56,360","13409","00:09:08,877","13722","In residential projects, for example, it's not the same,|because this is mainly really a typology thing; you develop something,"], ["00:09:08,878","13722","00:09:24,065","14102","how space is organized in structure and this organisation of space|and structure can be used in another way, in another situation also."], ["00:09:24,666","14117","00:09:33,854","14346","....."], ["00:09:59,945","14999","00:10:07,834","15196","There is a structure thing, especially in residential projects.|If you do residential projects,"], ["00:10:07,835","15196","00:10:20,117","15503","you define a structure, you define a kind of typology, which you|can use in a specific site, but you can use it somewhere else also."], ["00:10:20,118","15503","00:10:37,906","15948","So you can adapt it. If we find something which we think is|good for making a residential building, then it is always a structure,"], ["00:10:37,907","15948","00:10:56,676","16417","a typologic kind of design, and almost everything we developed in the|20 years we work we could use somewhere else in the residential area."], ["00:10:56,677","16417","00:11:13,239","16831","It's not the same with this search for specific space deriving completely from|a situation, from topography, from all that where space is the main theme."], ["00:11:23,259","17081","00:11:37,593","17440","We recently won a big residential building complex, which is very|interesting for us because there we combined certain typologies"], ["00:11:37,594","17440","00:11:45,278","17632","we used in other projects and the combination is the new thing of the project."], ["00:11:45,312","17633","00:11:56,394","17910","And it's a terrace roof, it's a terrace building where|every flat has a very big terrace or garden"], ["00:11:56,395","17910","00:12:05,712","18143","and we are very proud of the project because we think it's|a big step for subsidized housing in Vienna, or could be."], ["00:12:05,747","18144","00:12:15,340","18384","It could be, yes. It wasn't our idea, but the guy, who wanted to make this competition."], ["00:12:15,341","18384","00:12:22,815","18570","It was the theme of the competition to make a terraced|housing or to develop the structures of the 60's,"], ["00:12:22,816","18570","00:12:30,005","18750","where everybody knows the terrace housing and|with the swimming pools on the roof gardens,"], ["00:12:30,041","18751","00:12:39,736","18993","and they wanted to develop something to bring|it into the 2000 years, these old structures from the 60's."], ["00:12:40,393","19010","00:12:53,414","19335","Indeed, the idea was to bring opportunities, everything what is good|with the single family house, or the row house, into very dense building."], ["00:12:53,415","19335","00:13:05,972","19649","The qualities of that, which is indeed a very, a kind of strange idea,|because if it's possible why we don't do it all the time?"], ["00:13:05,973","19649","00:13:24,602","20115","And, I think in this project we really succeeded for us in developing a kind|of structure which is simple, very simple from the concept as it's organized,"], ["00:13:24,603","20115","00:13:36,132","20403","because there are always just typologies,|which exist in flatland; two storey typologies...|- normally they are row houses."], ["00:13:36,167","20404","00:13:46,727","20668","Row house typologies, all that, and these different|possibilities of typologies are organized in vertical."], ["00:13:46,728","20668","00:13:59,243","20981","- So they're just stacked.|- Like, there is a famous fairy tale, it's called \"Die Bremer Stadtmusikanten\""], ["00:13:59,244","20981","00:14:14,521","21363","- Musicians of Bremen. Some animals went together,|and they organized themselves vertically."], ["00:14:14,522","21363","00:14:26,222","21656","They were too small and so they had the asel (donkey), and on the asel|was the dog, on the dog was the cat and on the cat was the hen.|And that's what we did with the housing."], ["00:14:26,223","21656","00:14:36,255","21906","So it's a Bremer Stadtmusikanten House. And it works good|I think. I hope it will be a nice building for people."], ["00:14:36,256","21906","00:14:42,130","22053","And, as in the fairy tale the building is very complex, or appears very complex,"], ["00:14:42,173","22054","00:14:55,004","22375","because it's so unusual that you see them stacked or in|vertical order and the building gets a very sculptural appearance."], ["00:14:55,074","22377","00:15:03,747","22594","And that makes it also, of course, very interesting for us|and on the other hand this is where we get the terraces,"], ["00:15:05,335","22633","00:15:16,697","22917","because they don't really fit on one... one floor does not really fit to the next|and there are always some disconnections and these disconnections are the terraces."], ["00:15:18,305","22958","00:15:29,895","23247","We are interested in structures since the beginning; to deal with|residential, with housing projects and we did a lot of research there."], ["00:15:29,896","23247","00:15:42,742","23569","One of the main problems, not problems, one of the main things|for us was development of a city structure in the late 90's,"], ["00:15:42,743","23569","00:16:03,280","24082","where we tried to translate the old city of the 19thcentury|into a structure which would be a kind of translation,"], ["00:16:03,281","24082","00:16:12,505","24313","but which is the new modern city for us with the same|kind of density, with the same kind of measurements,"], ["00:16:12,506","24313","00:16:27,404","24685","but organized in a very, very different way in opposite to the|19th century city, which is characterized by roads of about 100 metres,"], ["00:16:27,405","24685","00:16:34,395","24860","they cross in a grid and there is no possibility to come through this."], ["00:16:34,396","24860","00:16:46,161","25154","It's a block system, which is very good from the structure|because the housing from this time can be used today,"], ["00:16:46,162","25154","00:17:04,332","25608","(it's) very, very good, it hasn't become old-fashioned, it's good to use,|but there are a lot of things, which I think could work better."], ["00:17:34,535","26363","00:17:41,388","26535","The organisation of space today has to be another one as it was in the 19th century, of course."], ["00:18:12,186","27305","00:18:28,158","27704","As Richard said, we are really very, very interested in structures and we came|to the structures because we do..., from our beginnings we do a lot of competitions."], ["00:18:28,159","27704","00:18:36,999","27925","We do about 10-12 competitions a year and most of them, we don't win them."], ["00:18:37,000","27925","00:18:50,606","28265","But out of these competitions we did until now, we did more than 100|competitions, and they are our pool of forms of architecture of whatever..."], ["00:18:50,607","28265","00:18:59,755","28494","- of decisions|- and this is, by now after 20 years, we are able to design quite fast,"], ["00:18:59,756","28494","00:19:06,921","28673","which is one of our most... clients like that because we can..."], ["00:19:06,922","28673","00:19:19,482","28987","- A lot of decisions which arrived in a project have been made before,|so we use that in the background when developing a new project."], ["00:19:19,483","28987","00:19:30,721","29268","- And by doing the competitions, especially if you have big functional|programmes, you learn that you need structures to organize that,"], ["00:19:30,722","29268","00:19:34,848","29371","because otherwise without a structure you cannot|organize a big complicated programme."], ["00:19:34,849","29371","00:19:46,577","29664","And so, when we realised that, we reorganized our architecture in that way."], ["00:19:51,179","29779","00:20:03,609","30090","We learned a lot about structures, not directly from architecture,|but from biology, from chemistry from technique."], ["00:20:06,433","30161","00:20:13,341","30334","You find structure everywhere where you have a good product in our world,"], ["00:20:13,342","30334","00:20:25,625","30641","and so this underlinked structure is almost the main thing|for our work in the developing of a new scheme."], ["00:20:30,265","30757","00:20:41,624","31041","And another big influence for us is art, because we, as I said|in the beginning, we studied in Graz and Graz was at that time,"], ["00:20:41,625","31041","00:20:53,755","31344","it was in the 70's and in the 80's, was very famous for the Styrian Autumn,|which by the way is just at the beginning now."], ["00:20:53,756","31344","00:21:06,044","31651","And Graz was a quite small city, where there was only|the Technical University where you could study architecture,"], ["00:21:06,045","31651","00:21:12,353","31809","but they had the Forum Stadtpark there and they|always had very important young artists there."], ["00:21:12,354","31809","00:21:24,002","32100","When I studied, there were the Germans, Martin Kippenberger,|and so on...they very often were in Graz and they influenced,"], ["00:21:24,003","32100","00:21:30,796","32270","of course, also the architects because there was just one restaurant"], ["00:21:30,797","32270","00:21:38,174","32454","where everybody met and so we all were together|and they had a very special point of view in a way."], ["00:21:38,175","32454","00:21:51,100","32778","And also there was Peter Pakesch, he had a gallery in Vienna, but he is from Graz|and he always brought very interesting works of art and artists there."], ["00:21:51,101","32778","00:22:01,303","33033","Also the minimal art, which is very important, or concept art,|of course, was one of the things we were very influenced (by) of course,"], ["00:22:01,304","33033","00:22:08,249","33206","because there we learned that the project has to|have a concept to be strong or to be developed,"], ["00:22:08,250","33206","00:22:15,294","33382","because if you don't have a concept|you have to always make decisions without why."], ["00:22:15,295","33382","00:22:28,355","33709","If you have a strong concept in a project you always|know what to do next, which is very comfortable of course."], ["00:22:28,356","33709","00:22:36,870","33922","It is the most important. It gives the whole direction|and everything which has to be decided"], ["00:22:36,871","33922","00:22:45,490","34137","afterwards is always in the region of this concept. We like it very much."], ["00:22:45,491","34137","00:22:56,790","34420","We want to develop something which develops itself|from the flow of the project, from the flow of the design."], ["00:22:56,791","34420","00:23:12,004","34800","We are not really interested in design, as what it means in German:|design in German means kind of making something beautiful."], ["00:23:12,005","34800","00:23:20,383","35010","We are not interested in making it beautiful,|it has to become beautiful, but we don't make it beautiful."], ["00:23:20,384","35010","00:23:39,376","35484","The beauty is something which comes from the precision of the concept,|the precision of the development of an idea, but it's not something which is searched|as a value from itself."], ["00:23:39,377","35484","00:23:42,249","35556","- We always say design is unnecessary."], ["00:23:42,458","35561","00:23:51,924","35798","And if we do a project, we do not design facades,|or things like that, as it was in the post-modernism,"], ["00:23:52,659","35816","00:24:04,885","36122","really where people sat and they drew windows or things like that,|and we never do that because we develop our project from the inside and the sculpture,"], ["00:24:04,926","36123","00:24:16,681","36417","or whatever, and the facades they develop out of the inside,|and so they just are what they are and they are not designed."], ["00:24:16,682","36417","00:24:31,681","36792","- But indeed it can become an important thing, also we, for example,|as in the project you choose for the Mies van der Rohe Award, you know it."], ["00:24:31,682","36792","00:24:40,638","37016","It's a very small project. It's just an office space|and a kind of production, not many square metres."], ["00:24:40,791","37020","00:24:45,798","37145","It's about 40 metres long and 16 metres in the other dimension."], ["00:24:45,799","37145","00:24:59,971","37499","The main decision here was to put the office space on the first floor,|but not over the production, but just in the first floor, so,"], ["00:25:00,106","37503","00:25:21,775","38044","this putting it in the first floor gave the whole building a special scheme, which made|it kind of typical, and made it readable for clients of this company and all that."], ["00:25:21,776","38044","00:25:33,836","38346","First when we started it, it was an even smaller building,|so it was designed rectangular."], ["00:25:33,837","38346","00:25:48,169","38704","That worked, and then the client came and he said I need a little bit more space,|it must become bigger, so the same scheme, the same concept grew."], ["00:25:48,170","38704","00:26:08,564","39214","And this growing, there had to be something other done, we couldn't stay in that|rectangular, completely rectangular thing any more, we needed to shape it."], ["00:26:08,565","39214","00:26:36,002","39900","When it grew, we needed to shape it. This is a kind of design, of course, but this is|one of the only things which I could tell that the design was an important thing."], ["00:26:37,710","39943","00:26:53,458","40336","Maybe that's not really correct, because Zita Kern is also shaped, and also the top|units of the Tokiostrasse, Tokyo street housing, they also needed the shape."], ["00:26:53,459","40336","00:27:08,984","40725","So this shaping is important in specific situations, where things|come narrow, when things have to be inserted in a situation."], ["00:27:08,985","40725","00:27:15,680","40892","- Where things have to become individual,|because sometimes that is really necessary."], ["00:27:39,266","41482","00:27:49,668","41742","We make our work and the work influences us, and the building influences us.|It's very important we do not think in the same way before we began to build."], ["00:27:52,724","41818","00:28:11,192","42280","All what has to do with building, the construction, of course, what construction is, how things|can be built, is in the end very important for how we think over architecture."], ["00:28:11,193","42280","00:28:23,310","42583","It changed. It hasn't been the same before and after the beginning of the building process."], ["00:28:23,311","42583","00:28:37,288","42932","But this is interesting. In school we didn't learn more|than that we wanted to be architects."], ["00:28:37,289","42932","00:28:56,166","43404","We didn't know what building means, all the measures, everything which|is needed for making a building, but we had an idea what architecture is,"], ["00:28:56,167","43404","00:29:03,476","43587","what architecture can be, also why we wanted to make it."], ["00:29:03,633","43591","00:29:08,752","43719","Because in the starting of my studies, I didn't want to become an architect,"], ["00:29:08,753","43719","00:29:22,981","44075","but then I saw it is a great thing and you can make in architecture|things which you can only do in architecture, nowhere else."], ["00:29:22,982","44075","00:29:36,742","44419","It's similar, it's near to art maybe, it's near to technology maybe,|to industry, products, but it's something very, very specific,"], ["00:29:36,743","44419","00:29:51,956","44799","and we knew that when we ended our studies, but we didn't know anything|about the building itself, so there was a change when we began to build projects."], ["00:29:51,957","44799","00:29:58,245","44956","And. I think that's okay.|- But, architecture is very..."], ["00:29:58,280","44957","00:30:08,693","45217","it's a nice job because you always get to know things you didn't know before."], ["00:30:08,694","45217","00:30:18,510","45463","Some years ago, we won a competition for a water power station|in Feldkirch in Vorarlberg, and there we had to do a fish ladder."], ["00:30:18,511","45463","00:30:21,645","45541","We never heard about a fish ladder before."], ["00:30:21,646","45541","00:30:28,657","45716","It's something where fish goes through because|they cannot go durch die Turbine (through the turbine),"], ["00:30:28,658","45716","00:30:39,037","45976","but like people they need a stairway where they can go up, and|they can go 20 centimetres per one step, it's like people do."], ["00:30:39,038","45976","00:30:44,474","46112","And so it's always... you learn every day and with every project"], ["00:30:44,475","46112","00:30:54,262","46357","and everything you have learned is an influence for the next project;|and that makes it so, so it's not boring."], ["00:30:55,284","46382","00:31:09,715","46743","There is another type of buildings, which we are interested (in), it's|temporary things like exhibition architecture or building for art in a temporary way."], ["00:31:09,788","46745","00:31:17,527","46938","We did a lot in the1990's before MuseumQuartier in Vienna began to build."], ["00:31:17,562","46939","00:31:24,380","47110","It was a fantastic space there, with a lot of room, which was good, usable,"], ["00:31:24,381","47110","00:31:32,008","47300","really good, usable for every kind of people|dealing with art, doing something with art."], ["00:31:32,009","47300","00:31:45,072","47627","And we made a lot of things there. And so it's a possibility to make,"], ["00:31:45,073","47627","00:31:53,783","47845","to try something in space, very fast, and afterwards it's away,it's ephemeral,"], ["00:31:53,784","47845","00:32:04,920","48123","but you can do it very fast and you have a result|and you can try something, it's important for our work."], ["00:32:04,921","48123","00:32:16,280","48407","There is an exhibition, this year was an exhibition|in (the) Architecture Centre in Vienna (AzW),"], ["00:32:16,281","48407","00:32:32,114","48803","where we tried (a) kind of specific space, also in relation to|special materials; this goes very fast, 3 months and it's finished."], ["00:32:32,115","48803","00:32:43,319","49083","The problem is, the building is, the long time it|normally needs from the beginning of an idea,"], ["00:32:43,320","49083","00:32:51,127","49278","from the beginning of a commission to a realisation, it's often really long."], ["00:32:51,128","49278","00:33:01,393","49535","And, sometimes the project also fades away, because|there is no need anymore to build it, something else."], ["00:33:01,394","49535","00:33:10,003","49750","As it was at the beginning of our office in the 80's, the first competition we did,"], ["00:33:10,004","49750","00:33:19,945","49999","the first open competition we did, we won it, and we planned very|long on this building; it was a building for (a) building department in Graz,"], ["00:33:19,946","49999","00:33:24,299","50107","a big office building in an interesting situation."], ["00:33:24,300","50108","00:33:32,224","50306","It was planned over years, it was planned, and I think it was a very good building,"], ["00:33:32,225","50306","00:33:38,168","50454","and from one day to the other the commission was away, they did something else,"], ["00:33:38,169","50454","00:33:47,517","50688","they used an existing building, which was built in|a bad situation and not really an interesting thing."], ["00:33:47,518","50688","00:33:59,357","50984","So, of course, therefore, this possibility of developing an idea of a space,"], ["00:33:59,358","50984","00:34:09,994","51250","also in that situation that people come there and use it and you have this exhibition situation,"], ["00:34:09,995","51250","00:34:24,022","51601","so we like it very much, this building for art or for|(an) exhibition, it's very fast and interesting thing."], ["00:34:24,023","51601","00:34:29,216","51730","- This experience with this first competition we won and was never built is...,"], ["00:34:29,217","51730","00:34:35,474","51887","now we like if the projects develop very fast|because we know if they don't develop fast,"], ["00:34:35,475","51887","00:34:42,136","52053","everybody thinks about (it) and the contractors|think too much and as long as they think"], ["00:34:42,137","52053","00:34:50,242","52256","the better it's for the project, the best if the things develop quickly.|- We have to be very fast as architects."], ["00:34:50,243","52256","00:34:58,864","52472","- But, the funny thing about Bauamtgebäude in Graz is,|on the very same day we lost the commission in Graz,"], ["00:34:58,865","52472","00:35:04,585","52615","we got a new commission for a big school in Vienna, so it's sometimes..."], ["00:35:04,586","52615","00:35:08,612","52715","- a direct commission.|- yes, it's really very strange. At that time..."], ["00:35:08,613","52715","00:35:14,846","52871","- it was in 1993|- 1993 or something like that, and it was a school"], ["00:35:14,847","52871","00:35:25,457","53136","for 300 pupils with 13 classrooms, 2 gymnastic rooms, and it was really big,"], ["00:35:25,458","53136","00:35:29,788","53245","it was for a long time, it was the biggest thing we did."], ["00:35:29,789","53245","00:35:37,967","53449","- It was a part of a program, which a politician Hannes Swoboda made in Vienna,"], ["00:35:37,968","53449","00:35:52,581","53815","which was very important because there (were) about 20 - 30 schools|which were built in that time, from more or less good, to very good architects;"], ["00:35:52,582","53815","00:36:04,813","54120","so there you have always the same program, it's always the same program,|it's classrooms, and the space to come to the classrooms, and the gymnasium."], ["00:36:04,814","54120","00:36:19,262","54482","And this programme, you have a lot of completely different|things coming out, solutions coming out of this very simple program."], ["00:36:19,263","54482","00:36:35,149","54879","I think it's interesting for somebody who is interested|in how Viennese architecture works today."], ["00:36:35,150","54879","00:36:42,352","55059","There are a lot of different positions, it is not the same|as it's, for example, in Vorarlberg or in Switzerland."], ["00:36:42,811","55070","00:36:50,321","55258","For example in Switzerland in the 90's where you had|a kind of school, most of the people did similar things."], ["00:36:50,322","55258","00:36:57,750","55444","This is, in Vienna it is completely different, there are a lot of individual positions,"], ["00:36:57,751","55444","00:37:13,152","55829","and on the other hand it's really important for people, for the city,|because all the young people growing up in these special spaces,"], ["00:37:13,153","55829","00:37:29,697","56242","where they learn what architecture can be, could be, instead of that boring spaces|that normally are used, so it's very important for the development of a city."], ["00:37:29,698","56242","00:37:34,522","56363","People learn something, when they are young they see what architecture can be."], ["00:37:34,523","56363","00:37:42,073","56552","- How space can influence life. If children learn that, they never forget it."], ["00:37:42,074","56552","00:37:55,058","56876","So, if we are lucky, Vienna can develop in a architectural way, because|so many pupils grew up with architecture in these school buildings."], ["00:37:55,059","56876","00:38:04,322","57108","And really it's a big value for Vienna, I think, because they have|school buildings out of the period from Helmut Richter,"], ["00:38:04,323","57108","00:38:09,526","57238","but they have also schools from Hermann Czech,|and have 20 of these school buildings,"], ["00:38:09,527","57238","00:38:26,671","57667","all done with the same programme and so it's like a lexicon you can go through.|And that was very klug, intelligent of Hannes Svoboda to... important and intelligent."], ["00:38:26,706","57668","00:38:37,576","57939","- Politicians, if they are really interested in architecture...it just need(s)|one politician in one town, in one situation and he can really do a lot."], ["00:38:37,577","57939","00:38:51,171","58279","- But the thing is always that architecture needs one person, one person,|who stands behind the architect, because architecture is not a democratic scene,"], ["00:38:51,172","58279","00:39:01,572","58539","somebody has to say: okay, I want it, because the client is,|in a way, is the same important as the architect."], ["00:39:01,573","58539","00:39:05,575","58639","Without a good client you cannot do a good architecture. It is impossible."], ["00:39:05,576","58639","00:39:10,737","58768","- At the moment, I think housing is more interesting in Vienna."], ["00:39:10,738","58768","00:39:21,069","59027","There are a lot of not big ones, not big projects, but more|the small ones, which are implanted in the city."], ["00:39:21,070","59027","00:39:25,356","59134","Small houses with about 20 flats or something like that."], ["00:39:25,357","59134","00:39:38,035","59451","There has been a development, which to bring housing back to the city,|more to the central city where infrastructure is okay,"], ["00:39:38,036","59451","00:39:50,756","59769","and there are several new houses from different architects which are interesting."], ["00:39:50,757","59769","00:39:56,235","59906","- And it's, just to improve the story with that (the)|client is as important as the architect,"], ["00:39:56,236","59906","00:40:06,166","60154","because the residential housing, the subsidized housing,|most all these projects have to go through a jury"], ["00:40:06,167","60154","00:40:21,594","60540","and Wolf Prix is (how do you say) the chief of these juries, and so he|really can influence the way of how subsidized housing is done in Vienna."], ["00:40:26,788","60670","00:40:38,071","60952","- Social housing. That's important.|To get money for building, companies have to make qualities,"], ["00:40:38,072","60952","00:40:47,214","61180","and they have to show the project to a commission, where Prix is the chief."], ["00:40:47,215","61180","00:41:01,130","61528","So, you need several kind of... a lot of qualities|to get the money for building the house."], ["00:41:01,131","61528","00:41:13,061","61827","So, this is a kind of control system, which I think is unique in|almost all of Europe, and looking around Germany, or..."], ["00:41:13,235","61831","00:41:21,307","62033","there is no(thing) similar...|- But again, without Prix, he was in the jury of Tokiostrasse,"], ["00:41:21,308","62033","00:41:26,448","62161","and I think without him it would have been very difficult to win."], ["00:41:30,367","62259","00:41:32,820","62320","- Social housing has developed quite good."], ["00:41:34,044","62351","00:41:44,690","62617","We have built a lot in the last years and most were direct|commissions, even coming from companies, from big companies."], ["00:41:44,691","62617","00:41:56,802","62920","They have learned that it's good to work with architects who|can develop something special with the same square metres,"], ["00:41:56,846","62921","00:42:09,354","63234","so they get the same square metres as they are used to. They need it,|of course, because they buy a site and prices are very high"], ["00:42:09,400","63235","00:42:18,130","63453","and they know what they have to build on it,|but some of them learned that it's more intelligent"], ["00:42:18,165","63454","00:42:31,157","63779","and makes more fun to work with an architect who can make|a special house of it, with much more quality than the normal."], ["00:42:31,158","63779","00:42:40,216","64005","- Yes, and its not a question of money, because social housing always costs the|same and then you really see what a good architect can get out of the money"], ["00:42:40,217","64005","00:42:47,467","64187","and you can compare it with some other projects,|so... and people realise that of course."], ["00:42:47,468","64187","00:42:58,363","64459","Because it's easy: it's better if you can get the sun into your living room and|if you have an open space and whatever, and you realise if you have it or not."], ["00:42:58,364","64459","00:43:08,853","64721","- Yes, and this is a learning process, if somebody starts with|that and he's successful, other people also see that."], ["00:43:08,854","64721","00:43:16,103","64903","It's really not good to have all that boring things, it's better to have the funny things."], ["00:43:17,939","64948","00:43:25,044","65126","- Architecture is so much work, so it's better to also|have some fun, because otherwise it's for what...?"], ["00:43:26,519","65163","00:43:28,242","65206","- It's really much work."], ["00:43:31,002","65275","00:43:41,353","65534","Therefore I didn't want to become (an) architect, because I saw from|the beginning of the study, this is really much work. And it is."], ["00:43:42,150","65554","00:43:50,519","65763","- But that's why we always do only things we really like,|because it's too much work to do something you don't like."], ["00:43:50,520","65763","00:44:00,458","66011","Because you have these projects... they take years of your life|and if you get nothing out of that, you mustn't do that."], ["00:44:03,384","66085","00:44:24,007","66600","The most complicated thing we did is, there are several projects in public space,|re-design of street, re-design of important areas in the city, but it's really, really..."], ["00:44:24,008","66600","00:44:33,489","66837","it's very, very complicated. And to get a product out of that is a lot of..."], ["00:44:33,490","66837","00:44:40,739","67018","you have to put in really much work and you don't get back too much."], ["00:44:40,740","67018","00:44:51,108","67278","You can use it, it's quite good for... for example, one of the most|important things we did in this public space, I think,"], ["00:44:51,109","67278","00:44:58,051","67451","is to make a kind of new path in the city and to bring trees in."], ["00:44:58,052","67451","00:45:07,456","67686","So you don't see architecture, but you see a completely changed|space afterwards, but it's not architecture, it's bringing something in,"], ["00:45:07,457","67686","00:45:18,814","67970","in situations which are very, very narrow, which are|very crowded, which are completely filled with traffic,"], ["00:45:18,815","67970","00:45:29,804","68245","and for us the main thing was to bring something in, which is a changing thing, this is a tree."], ["00:45:29,805","68245","00:45:40,701","68518","It's not architecture, but it has the dimension of architecture, of course,|and brings something in which makes the space there a lot, a lot, better."], ["00:45:40,702","68518","00:46:00,084","69002","So we have, I think, brought in a lot of places here in the area, near the area|where we have the office, it's the 5th district of Vienna, this kind of quality."], ["00:46:00,085","69002","00:46:09,760","69244","But indeed it's not, you don't see what you are used (to)|from architecture when you look for architecture."], ["00:46:09,761","69244","00:46:21,398","69535","- We sometimes joked that if you want to get rid of an architect in Vienna,|you just give him a big commission for public space and he's lost for years."], ["00:46:21,399","69535","00:46:36,772","69919","- He's occupied. You have to talk to 30 people, all the time...|- And, everybody knows everything better than the architect, of course."], ["00:46:36,773","69919","00:46:47,586","70190","- But that's normal. Everybody uses a house,|so he knows everything better. That is normal."], ["00:46:47,587","70190","00:46:53,587","70340",". . . . ."], ["00:47:32,438","71311","00:47:41,219","71530","We have on the list a lot of competitions which are|important for us, and these are specific solutions"], ["00:47:41,220","71530","00:47:52,706","71818","always specific solutions, for more small buildings, but in|an interesting site, for example for a Catamaran Ship Station"], ["00:47:52,707","71818","00:48:00,421","72011","in the centre of Vienna in the Danube Channel,|directly opposite of the 1st district, a very nice situation."], ["00:48:00,422","72011","00:48:13,550","72339","The theme is how do you go in this space, because it's|an open space in the city, it's the Danube Channel,"], ["00:48:13,551","72339","00:48:29,773","72744","which is a very precise cut-out profile in the city, by Otto Wagner, and for us|the main idea here was to bring something in which is a kind of temporary,"], ["00:48:29,774","72744","00:48:40,985","73025","like ships there, not to make a building, not to bring|something in which changes the character of the space."], ["00:48:40,986","73025","00:48:50,292","73257","In opposite, there are several projects in this area|which want to change this kind of space"], ["00:48:50,293","73257","00:49:00,975","73524","and we do not think that it's a good idea to change|this very precise and important open space."], ["00:49:00,976","73524","00:49:11,809","73795","In Vienna you have two types of open spaces: this is always along the water,"], ["00:49:11,810","73795","00:49:25,809","74145","and along the Gürtel, and it is important to kind of save these|open spaces, not to occupy it with the false measurements."], ["00:49:34,595","74365","00:49:47,323","74683","Of course, it's nice to build in a place like the Gürtel or like the Donau Kanal (Channel),|because everything looks sensational, if it's situated in a situation like that,"], ["00:49:47,324","74683","00:49:57,090","74927","but if you do it once it's done forever. Everything.|And so you have to be very careful with decisions like that."], ["00:49:57,091","74927","00:50:07,897","75197","In competitions we often try to develop a structure with an engineer."], ["00:50:07,898","75197","00:50:24,919","75623","It's clear if you'd make a bridge, for example as the competition in|Feldkirch for a bridge with a span of about 80 metres over the river,"], ["00:50:24,920","75623","00:50:32,845","75821","and also it's clear if you make a big structure like|a gymnasium, sports-hall something like that,"], ["00:50:32,846","75821","00:50:50,304","76258","but it's also interesting in smaller specific things to have the|engineer to precise your concept from the technical side."], ["00:50:50,305","76258","00:50:58,952","76474","So, it's always a thing going. We start and the engineer|goes along, and it changes and it changes and it changes"], ["00:50:58,953","76474","00:51:14,061","76852","and the result is something which comes directly out of the|team-work of both. We would not make it this way without an engineer."], ["00:51:14,062","76852","00:51:33,775","77344","Of course it sounds clear, but it's very interesting how the changes come in,|in the project, and it is something which is similar to our own team-work."], ["00:51:33,776","77344","00:51:47,034","77676","We make, together we make another kind of project as we would|do alone, and if you have a good engineer, or something like that,"], ["00:51:47,035","77676","00:52:02,997","78075","it makes another change of possibilities and I think it sharpens it very much,|makes it much more precise, and this is a chance of architecture also."], ["00:52:36,719","78918","00:52:40,744","79019","- What sort of people are your clients?"], ["00:52:46,511","79163","00:52:55,921","79398","- Zita Kern is really special, because she is a farmer on|one hand, but she is, also a scientist on the other hand,"], ["00:52:55,922","79398","00:53:07,959","79699","and she also studied art history and she is very firm with|Austrian architecture and she really studied that very precise,"], ["00:53:07,960","79699","00:53:18,762","79969","what young architects were working in Vienna at that time, and|then she decided, and then she chose our office to do it for her."], ["00:53:18,763","79969","00:53:33,196","80330","She didn't ask some other architect, which is very usual in Vienna that people ask|5 architects, or something like that, to do something like a small competition..."], ["00:53:33,599","80340","00:53:38,455","80461","- To do a bathroom.|- which is crazy indeed, because the client is going to"], ["00:53:38,456","80461","00:53:42,663","80567","decide which architect he takes, but he is not an architect and so..."], ["00:53:42,664","80567","00:53:51,616","80790","- He has to decide anyway. It's just a prolongation of|the decision and it's just more work for more people."], ["00:53:52,336","80808","00:54:06,827","81171","- And the Bocksdorf houses in Burgenland, one client was Willi Schlagintweit,|for whom we did the pharmacy in Aspern, and he is a friend of ours,"], ["00:54:06,828","81171","00:54:17,096","81427","and Richard knows him since he began to study in Graz,|because he was a friend of Richard's friend, so..."], ["00:54:20,662","81517","00:54:36,964","81924","- It brings us to the pharmacy, which we forgot before, which is a very important|project in our office career, because it was a chance for a specific building,"], ["00:54:36,965","81924","00:54:56,559","82414","they needed a pharmacy, but they found nice site to build it, it's connecting|2 streets, and the idea was to build a good building, and afterwards it's a pharmacy,"], ["00:54:56,560","82414","00:55:03,748","82594","but the idea was not to make a pharmacy, but|a good building, which could also be used for..."], ["00:55:03,749","82594","00:55:14,202","82855","- it could also be a gallery or a house|- living there or something, the quality are the same for living,"], ["00:55:14,203","82855","00:55:21,272","83032","for a school, you need light, you need space, so we could develop something."], ["00:55:21,273","83032","00:55:30,968","83274","And he was a very good client, Willi Schlagintweit,|he just told us the programme and we made a space from it."], ["00:55:30,969","83274","00:55:41,997","83550","- So in a way we were really lucky, because we had Zita Kern,|and she just said she needs some special space,"], ["00:55:42,032","83551","00:55:49,502","83738","and then we had Willi Schlagintweit, and we had|Ferdinand Türtscher, the EFAFLEX building, and they all,"], ["00:55:49,503","83738","00:55:57,254","83931","they trust us from the beginning, which is|the best thing can happen to an architect."], ["00:55:57,255","83931","00:56:08,515","84213","-This pharmacy, of course it's a pharmacy, they sell a lot|of products there, it works well, people like to go there,"], ["00:56:08,516","84213","00:56:13,896","84347","but there is a lot of things on the other hand which are done there also."], ["00:56:13,897","84347","00:56:24,369","84609","There's a cultural programme, a great|cultural programme with really fantastic people."], ["00:56:24,370","84609","00:56:33,971","84849","Gerd Jonke had a lecture there, Fritz Achleitner is going to|read next week, I think, so it's a very, very high level."], ["00:56:33,972","84849","00:56:42,657","85066","It's not big, but it's a small situation, and it is used in a very complex way."], ["00:56:42,658","85066","00:56:58,989","85475","It's a kind of small centre for this part of the city, which is far away|from the real centre, and there is no public space there in this area,"], ["00:56:58,990","85475","00:57:06,545","85664","and so this works in a kind of way as a public space of this part of the city."], ["00:57:06,546","85664","00:57:20,142","86004","We did a pharmacy before, for friend of his, but not|in the same way, it was just a rebuilding of an existing space,"], ["00:57:20,143","86004","00:57:34,477","86362","a bad existing space, an indoor, so this was a completely different|thing, because of the really not good building and not specific space,"], ["00:57:34,478","86362","00:57:46,985","86675","we had to bring in something, a kind of quality, which comes out|from the room design, but which also comes out from the material..."], ["00:57:46,986","86675","00:57:56,620","86916","And we decided to work with marble, which is not|our normal thing, we would not first use marble."], ["00:57:56,621","86916","00:58:06,406","87160","I think of the use of marble when thinking of a bathroom or something like that,|but in this site we needed really a quality from the material,"], ["00:58:06,407","87160","00:58:20,020","87500","which could be used as a floor, as a table, as a ceiling, as wall, as everything,|and because of this hygienic aspects also; it should be clean it should be useful..."], ["00:58:20,021","87501","00:58:34,476","87862","We used the stone from a mountain, which you could see in the horizon|from this place, so we have also a connection with the site."], ["00:58:34,477","87862","00:59:00,677","88517","This is another thing, this pharmacy in Aspern is a, really a space,|structure, which allows a lot in the use and it is done in the best way."], ["00:59:02,577","88564","00:59:14,896","88872","- Just to come back to the material, in a way (it) is a very important (thing)|for us, because we don't say that the material is bad from the beginning,"], ["00:59:14,897","88872","00:59:26,771","89169","but we always try to use the material as pure as possible, so if we used concrete|like in the pharmacy, we do not cover it with some(thing), but we really leave it,"], ["00:59:26,772","89169","00:59:34,268","89357","and it's the same with the marble, but it's the|same with the aluminium in the EFAFLEX building,"], ["00:59:34,269","89357","00:59:39,494","89487","and it's always (the same), the materials|can differ, but if we use them we show them."], ["01:01:30,704","92268","01:01:36,136","92403","- Let's talk a little bit on the Giants Causeway Visitor Centre in Northern Ireland."], ["01:01:36,171","92404","01:01:56,014","92900","It's a space, an access space for a very, very beautiful|landscape on the coastline, where basalt structure comes up;"], ["01:01:56,228","92906","01:02:15,197","93380","it's six and five edges very, very nice structure, it's a world heritage (site)|and they need a visitor centre, a new visitor centre for public coming there."], ["01:02:15,430","93386","01:02:22,815","93570","And this visitor centre also has, of course,|things like a shop and an exhibition space."], ["01:02:22,850","93571","01:02:45,113","94128","We started it, the project, the idea was to just cut|the soil and lift it up, so the soil is put cut-and-lifted-up,"], ["01:02:45,148","94129","01:02:56,044","94401","and the visitor enters the area between the|soil and the ground below, the basalt below, so..."], ["01:02:56,079","94402","01:03:15,411","94885","- It's a very flat land, it's a coastline and it's very flat on the roof, and so we just|lifted up and it's like a little hill with grass on it, because, they wanted a big area..."], ["01:03:15,446","94886","01:03:27,455","95186","- It's not really a building, it's more an elevated landscape, which is also good for the picnic and another view of the site and on the other hand,"], ["01:03:27,456","95186","01:03:43,334","95583","we thought it's not really a need for an exhibition space, the exhibition is the landscape below, the structure of the..."], ["01:03:43,335","95583","01:03:53,390","95835","- It's an empty, a very empty coastline with nothing on it and so we didn't|want to have a building there, so we just remodelled the landscape for the building."], ["01:03:53,912","95848","01:04:10,516","96263","- The exhibition is the basalt structure. This is what is exhibited, and if the|soil is lifted, and you have the basalt below, and it's enough."], ["01:04:10,517","96263","01:04:15,058","96376","But indeed they didn't want to see much from the building there."], ["01:04:21,203","96530","01:04:36,695","96917","The Power Station Hochwuhr in Feldkirch, it's a project|which was a competition, won for an engineer project,"], ["01:04:36,696","96917","01:04:45,501","97138","not for the engineer project but for an existing engineer|project in a very, very specific site between a town..."], ["01:04:45,502","97138","01:05:01,747","97544","the end of the town and the beginning of a wild gorge where a river comes through,|and in this narrow interesting beautiful situation an engineer project was developed"], ["01:05:01,782","97545","01:05:17,540","97938","for a water power station, and afterwards we, as architects, won|a competition to re-design it, reshape it, make something from this power station,"], ["01:05:17,573","97939","01:05:31,169","98279","which is more than a power station, but a kind of belvedere for|this area of the city, which before was a space which was not interesting,"], ["01:05:31,383","98285","01:05:44,991","98625","there was just things put there what nobody needs, and nobody|went there and with his new intervention of the power station,"], ["01:05:45,026","98626","01:05:53,994","98850","there was a chance to reorganize the whole space of the city there."], ["01:05:54,067","98852","01:06:06,619","99165","- In a way it's comparable with the Giants Causeway, because also the|power station is just a landscape, it's only a surface where you can walk on,"], ["01:06:06,710","99168","01:06:14,539","99363","because what we tried there, because it's so close to the|medieval town of Feldkirch, we didn't want to have a building there,"], ["01:06:14,627","99366","01:06:23,461","99587","so we pressed everything into the ground and it's just a surface where|everybody can walk on and which is the belvedere Richard talked about,"], ["01:06:23,496","99587","01:06:27,997","99700","and you can go through the fish ladder and everywhere, it's like a little park."], ["01:06:28,032","99701","01:06:40,699","100017","- The first thing and the most important was to cut away everything which the|engineers invented which was not engine, so we searched for everything"], ["01:06:40,700","100018","01:06:42,820","100070","which is not needed for the machine."], ["01:06:43,094","100077","01:06:49,190","100230","- Because the engineers thought they have to do|something for the beauty of the building and that was..."], ["01:06:49,191","100230","01:06:58,045","100451","the only thing we did was to cut everything off which they|invented for the beauty, because it was for nothing."], ["01:06:58,046","100451","01:07:13,167","100829","- So after this phase, we had quite a good building and then the next thing|was to make it usable for the public passing by, coming there, looking."], ["01:07:13,202","100830","01:07:34,935","101373","We defined new roads to walk there, to use it, to go over it, to look at the fish|coming up the fish ladder, looking at the side of the building where the engine works,"], ["01:07:34,970","101374","01:08:05,627","102141","where the power, electricity is produced, and so it's a public space. The main|thing is not that it's a building now, it's a public space and it produces electricity."], ["01:08:28,413","102710","01:08:44,574","103114","Just one project dealing with art was a nice thing, a competition|we did not win, so indeed it's not really interesting to talk about,"], ["01:08:44,609","103115","01:08:57,976","103449","but it would have been a very interesting thing to|build because a guy was owning a lot of pictures..."], ["01:08:58,011","103450","01:09:12,374","103809","- a very important art collection, an Austrian art collection.|- He has a fantastic site in southern Carinthia, in a really beautiful landscape,"], ["01:09:12,409","103810","01:09:38,992","104475","far away from everything. And, here he wants to build a private museum;|so this is a possibility to develop a space directly out of a site,"], ["01:09:39,027","104476","01:09:42,312","104558","but indeed it has to be a good usable art space."], ["01:09:42,347","104559","01:09:57,869","104947","But the main thing in this place was to develop something out of this specific site,|which is very beautiful, very near to a river, near to mountains,"], ["01:09:57,904","104948","01:10:14,717","105368","there was nothing built there around, and this is something coming|together, the typology, the landscape and typology of the museum building,"], ["01:10:14,718","105368","01:10:35,198","105880","what we think is important for building an art space, how the inside works, how walls|are installed, how light comes in, and how this space also can be changed in a specific way."], ["01:10:35,233","105881","01:10:46,294","106157","And how it is connected with the outside, with the|fantastic landscape around, where you have sometimes"], ["01:10:46,329","106158","01:11:00,284","106507","very specific use out of this art space, which is,|on the other hand, very dense orientated on itself."], ["01:11:10,134","106753","01:11:28,433","107211","It's Austrian contemporary art, a lot of pictures, sculptures also,|but more the second half of the 20th century, a picture collection."], ["01:11:56,745","107919","01:12:06,418","108160","At the moment, it's the interesting thing in Vienna,|this social housing aspect, because it doesn't exist in Germany,"], ["01:12:06,453","108161","01:12:22,707","108568","for example, in the really ten times bigger Germany there is nothing|comparable with that social housing thing, which is, produces interesting objects."], ["01:12:22,742","108569","01:12:34,584","108865","- That's clear, because like the big cities in Germany they have enough apartments,|they don't have the problem really to build apartment buildings, because..."], ["01:12:34,619","108865","01:12:44,203","109105","- but they are built a lot in Germany, in Berlin,|really they build a lot, but it's not really interesting."], ["01:12:44,238","109106","01:13:07,423","109686","There are several things, but in relation to what is built and the bigness of the|city, it's a, it's quite a, not much, maybe 2 buildings in Berlin to look at."], ["01:13:13,439","109836","01:13:32,400","110310","But, it is at the moment the quality in Vienna, the housing.|And we are very lucky to be engaged there and to be in the state"], ["01:13:32,435","110311","01:13:47,709","110693","of doing housing concepts, and to try to make|new solutions, really new solutions, which bring it forward."], ["01:13:47,744","110694","01:14:01,248","111031","- And also Vienna never had, they don't make city planning projects, everything comes|out of housing, as a result they don't want to do city planning,"], ["01:14:01,283","111032","01:14:10,904","111273","city planning does not exist, but housing. And so also the city is a result|of the housing projects, which is in a way a problem of course."], ["01:14:10,939","111273","01:14:25,316","111633","In the outer districts, where (there) is no existing city, but|there are these new city parts, there is no city structure."], ["01:14:25,351","111634","01:14:33,493","111837","There's just the housing and everything has to|come after it so, maybe a school, but nothing else."], ["01:14:33,528","111838","01:14:53,623","112341","It's good that it changed, that the city is not built outside of the city|anymore, as it was done in the 80's, 90's, it came back to the heart,"], ["01:14:53,658","112341","01:15:12,246","112806","to the bigger centre of the city, where you have most things you need:|infrastructure, schools, places to shop and everything, that makes it more interesting,"], ["01:15:12,281","112807","01:15:24,700","113118","and what is interesting in these housing projects mostly is the specific|situation and how architects react on it, how architect(s) work with it,"], ["01:15:24,735","113118","01:15:32,443","113311","and it's in a context, in a context of other buildings, and for example..."], ["01:15:32,444","113311","01:15:40,937","113523","the place where we built, Alxingergasse, you just look over the street|and you see the next house from young architects,"], ["01:15:40,972","113524","01:15:55,443","113886","and in the same block the next house from colleagues, and|5 minutes away one more, and they are completely different and,"], ["01:15:55,478","113887","01:16:05,352","114134","similar to the schools it's always the same programme,|the same simple programme, and you can see very good"], ["01:16:05,387","114135","01:16:15,116","114378","the difference of the intention of the architects|working here in Vienna at the moment."], ["01:16:15,151","114379","01:16:27,552","114689","- These small buildings, these new buildings in the Alxingergasse, it's|the 10th district, and it's a quite poor one, but these new buildings,"], ["01:16:27,587","114690","01:16:38,624","114966","they are small, but they really change the atmosphere of the whole area|and that's very important, because the city gets more, gets better in a way."], ["01:16:38,659","114966","01:16:54,563","115364","- The 10th district in this area is a very, very rigid grid, which is kind of|boring also, of course, it has its qualities, but indeed it's always the same"], ["01:16:54,598","115365","01:17:09,110","115728","and it's old houses and its qualities are not very high, so|everything which comes in here, with the new quality of architecture,"], ["01:17:09,145","115729","01:17:30,151","116254","what architecture can give, this makes the situation change, and old boring|becomes, even in this reaction with the new thing, more interesting."], ["01:17:36,886","116422","01:17:58,554","116964","There is not so much mix, because it's not really near the centre of the city and traffic,|public traffic is also not so near, so there are mostly living people who always lived there."], ["01:17:58,589","116965","01:18:08,950","117224","They just changed the house, from the old house to the|new house, they need more space, something like that,"], ["01:18:08,985","117225","01:18:15,436","117386","but there are not really much people from|outside coming in here, in this area of the city."], ["01:18:15,471","117387","01:18:28,231","117706","It's more a moving from the people who grew up|there and who really come from this area."], ["01:18:50,648","118266","01:19:04,584","118615","- It is mixed but not really. It's not a district where academic|people live, because they stay more in the 8th or in the 9th districts."], ["01:19:06,597","118665","01:19:16,382","118910","Everybody knows where his friends live and everybody|wants to live close to his friends, because the city is quite big."], ["01:19:16,383","118910","01:19:26,810","119170","- A good example of mix is this area where we have the office,|where we built this house. This is a site where you have..."], ["01:19:26,845","119171","01:19:43,730","119593","it is on the one side, it's very undeveloped, there are living|a lot of people from other countries who came there,"], ["01:19:43,765","119594","01:20:03,654","120091","it's a typical area where you can shop in every time of the day, which is not|normal in Vienna, but it's quite near to the city and so there comes a mixing."], ["01:20:03,689","120092","01:20:27,052","120676","In our house 3 friends of ours, or people we know|quite well, bought a flat there, because they liked the area"], ["01:20:27,087","120677","01:20:38,894","120972","and liked the kind of house and so they came|there to live there and it's kind of a small village."], ["01:20:38,895","120972","01:20:48,524","121213","- But it's also a different system, because Alxingergasse is|only social housing from the ground floor to the top floor,"], ["01:20:48,559","121214","01:20:57,755","121444","and the Hundsturm building is social housing from the ground floor to the|5th floor, and it's free financed housing from the 5th floor to the top floor,"], ["01:20:57,790","121445","01:21:09,797","121745","so it's mixed up from the beginning and I think for the city it's quite a good system,|because then you can really mix-up the inhabitants, that's the best thing you can do."], ["01:21:34,236","122356","01:21:46,677","122667","- This system is good. I think Vienna is quite|unique with that social housing system."], ["01:21:46,712","122668","01:22:01,843","123046","We had people here from London and New York looking at the Laxenburgerstrasse|housing, which is a very big housing complex in the 10th district far from the city."], ["01:22:01,878","123047","01:22:08,203","123205","It's 400 flats, it's really a huge building and far away from the centre."], ["01:22:08,238","123206","01:22:32,155","123804","These people were very impressed that there is no devastation, and if it would stand in|London or New York everything would be damaged, and this is not the case in Vienna."], ["01:22:32,190","123805","01:22:58,166","124454","It's better functioning, as the city works. One guy from New York,|he said: I drove out very far and I never saw slums, what's that?"], ["01:22:58,201","124455","01:23:14,297","124857","He thought there must be some areas where you have|a kind of self-built, or slum like..., and he didn't find it."], ["01:23:14,332","124858","01:23:18,060","124952","- They are nowhere in Austria."], ["01:23:33,550","125339","01:23:46,533","125663","- The social housing concept, as it's used in Vienna, is, of|course, the main thing that it works in this way."], ["01:23:46,568","125664","01:24:07,874","126197","And this has a long tradition, of course, the post-war, post-World War I|time is very famous for the social housing experiments they did then."], ["01:24:07,909","126198","01:24:15,666","126392","The city never forgot this history. It's very important."], ["01:24:15,701","126393","01:24:21,078","126527","- And is it still social housing when it has its own swimming pool?"], ["01:24:21,113","126528","01:24:37,353","126934","- I think so, yes. The actor Curt Jürgens one day said, he always declared himself as a communist, and then asked why he drives a Rolls-Royce, he said:"], ["01:24:37,388","126935","01:24:44,424","127111","I tried both the VW and Rolls Royce and I think everybody should drive a Rolls Royce."], ["01:24:44,459","127111","01:24:59,813","127495","So indeed, everybody should have the better situation; so a swimming pool on the|roof is a good thing, especially for people who do not have much money."], ["01:24:59,848","127496","01:25:08,305","127708","It's a great thing if they have a swimming pool|on the roof, and rich people can buy everything,"], ["01:25:09,409","127735","01:25:19,185","127980","but it's important for the people with not much money|to have this luxury, and if that succeeds, it's great."], ["01:25:30,094","128252","01:25:42,877","128572","- I don't think Vienna is a rich city, but they have kind of a good|dealing with that, they know that it's very, very important to..."], ["01:25:42,912","128573","01:26:03,682","129092","housing is one of the main things, which makes|a good city and they never forgot to use that."], ["01:26:03,717","129093","01:26:18,817","129470","It's better, or less good, but they never forgot|what was started in the 20's, 30's of the last century."] ];